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hi ray,i totally get the word poeocssrr comment! this was the first time i wrote my comments out in word then copied and pasted when i was done. it's one of those topics with so many facets that can be emotionally driven. so much to say with such little comment boxes! thank you for clarifying your surprise. i didn't figure you meant anything negative by it but now i get where you're coming from. it is still scary for me to "put myself out there" in a post but i'm getting braver. i think what scares me most about it now is knowing you will comment. but then that's not very scary when i remember that you always listen and invite debate not fights. most of the time my piquant posts are answered with crickets chirping. for some reason people don't want to weigh in. the biggest reason why i seek out people who are very different from myself is because i get so bored of the same old same old. there is more to life than my corner of the world. thanks for always pushing me to think deeper. there is no natural segue into the rest of your comment. so let's just dive in! you asked a valid question about harvey milk. my question back to you is why would he have to labeled a gay activist? why not a civil rights activist? isn't that basically what he was doing? he was fighting for civil rights of homosexuals. all individuals deserve basic civil rights. but then the marriage question comes up and that's a whole other post. back to harvey milk my pet peeve with harvey milk day is that everyone seems to believe he was a gay martyr. he was not assasinated for his sexual orientation. i guess that's where i freak out about this new legislation. should groups be accurately portrayed in history? yes. but why this hyper correction? what's the underlying agenda? and then there's another post. the whole gay "controversy" does stem from a moral standpoint. which is why it's such a hot topic. i know very few people who are on the fence or couldn't care less about the issue. it's a big deal to everyone and who gets to decide who's right or wrong? there's that impasse you were talking about. you ended with an interesting thought. we could have each gotten several blog posts out of this discussion. earlier i thought you meant one thing now i'm looking at it again and thinking you meant something else entirely. i don't know, this has been very thought provoking. i don't know that i would go so far as to say fun! it's been a lot of work for me to keep my personal judgments out of it. enjoy your day,tristan